i would be a tiny bit surprised if romney pulled ahead based on this debate alone. but between that and something else -- we have jobs figures coming out on friday morning and two more debates and things that could develop. it put -- and put romney on a path where he has a comeback where is the opposite happen that he lost badly, then you might really eat at a october surprise for him to come back. >> there seems to be is some debate that this was the as debate america actually wanted. some people say it was too dry and some people they finally we have a serious discussion of economic policy. which one was? >> i think it was more substantive than some of the primary debates. the critique is and it's describing their plans and so forth, you can double up substance but not necessarily a substance containing an honest impression of what your card in arguments are. these are two guys who are very data-driven. i don't either of them is an ideologue, unnecessarily. i think you saw that come through a stage. >> you are somebody does predictions and numbers as this race cha